“Defenders” of Wildlife Supports Wolf Hunting!

Yet another sell-out group, sleeping with the enemy. Is this what they’re doing with all the donations they keep begging for? Unbelievable!

http://www.kued.org/suzanne-stone

Interviewer
Should wolves be hunted?

Suzanne Stone
Defenders of Wildlife is not opposed to hunting of wolves. We represent hunters as well as other conservationists and animal rights people. We have a very wide spectrum of people that are our members, but we’ve never been opposed to hunting. As long as it’s hunting done in a manner that other species are hunted, so that it’s not to exterminate the species, but actually to only take surplus from that population. And right now the wolf population in the Northern Rockies is still pretty small. For example, in Idaho we have somewhere around five or six hundred adult wolves, and if you compare that with things like mountain lions, we have over 3,000 mountain lions. We have 20,000 black bears, and more than 100,000 elk. And so if you’re putting a lot of pressure on a wolf population when they’re at such a low number, you’re managing them very differently than you’re managing these other species, which are managed to be in greater populations and more abundant.

copyrighted wolf in river

53 thoughts on ““Defenders” of Wildlife Supports Wolf Hunting!

  1. Thanks for the heads up on this… I naively thought “defenders” meant defending, not “kill management” projects. So far as I know, the only “wildlife defending” organization that supports NOT EATING ANIMALS is Center for Biological Diversity’s Take Extinction Off Your plate campaign. I deeply THANK THEM for that commitment to animals.

  2. It angers me that wolf lovers still continue to support groups like DOW, WOTR, and Wolfwatcher when these groups have been known to throw wolves under the bus in compromise deals and even completely surrendering in this war just for political convenience! Personally when it comes to DOW, I call them Defenders Of What? and Pretenders Of Wildlife.

  3. I’m disappointed to learn that this is the stance of Defenders of Wildlife. In my world, DOW is now in the same category as the Idaho Conservation League. I terminated all affiliation with them years ago after stumbling across a page on their website in which they declared their alliance with trappers. I think this whole fxxking world is insane.

    • Whenever something seems insane (inexplicable,) look to the dollar. That will always be where the explanation lies.

  4. This comes as a surprise? Where has everyone been? Most of these groups have condoned hunting, at the very least, for decades. Using the Humanist logic from this article, regarding “surplus populations” and the need to hunt them, should we not apply this same logic to culling the exploding human population?

    • They have always supported hunting, as does the Audobon society, “nature” conservancy and World Wildlife Fund which also supports the baby seal “hunt.”

    • No surprise to those of us who watched Defenders in the nineties, gleefully support U.S. F&W’s brutal trapping & transport mid-winter in the freezing holds of small planes to dump Canadian wolves into Yellowstone (ranching & high hunting states,) who were chomping at the bit to start persecuting/ killing wolves again. Condoning sport hunting while soliciting donations to save the poor dear creatures can continue to work for Defenders, etc. as long as a limitless, naïve public continues to exist. Ranchers no longer invest in animal husbandry, cheaper to allow plenty of willing participants to kill off predator animals. It’s not only ranchers who persecute wolves, state wildlife agencies will kill off whole wolf family packs not affecting ranchers, for getting their food from wild game, considered a state income commodity reserved by the state for sport hunters.
      America’s wolf welcoming committee along w/ support of Defenders of Wildlife.

  5. Reblogged this on Howling For Justice and commented:
    “Defenders of Wildlife is not opposed to hunting of wolves. We represent hunters as well as other conservationists and animal rights people. We have a very wide spectrum of people that are our members, but we’ve never been opposed to hunting ….Suzanne Stone

    WHAT?????

    Well you know the cat is now out of the bag, this is something we’ve all known but to see it in black and white is pretty stunning, considering the persecution wolves are suffering at the hands of hunters and state fish and game agencies.

  6. Years ago I used to donate to WWF, then I found out they supported hunting, and I also donated a couple of times to DOW. Not any more. I guess they figure the money will flow when you play both sides of the fence. Hypocrites. And shame on them for taking advantage of people who love animals by lying to them about what they really do.

  7. Defenders does not support the hunting of any imperiled species. We are against any measures – including hunting – that undermine the recovery of imperiled species, including wolves.

    Those familiar with our work can clearly see evidence of this in several of our efforts over just the past year:
    – We are adamantly opposed to the predator derby proposed by a “hunters’ rights group” in Idaho. We are reaching out to officials to deny permission for this event to take place, and encourage anyone with similar concerns to do the same http://dfnd.us/1nzqpgx
    – We fought against the killing of wolves in the Frank Church/River of No Return wilderness, when the state sent a trapper in to kill eradicate two wolf packs in this protected area. Not only did we rally our membership against this effort, we also took the Forest Service to court for it. The state recently settled the law suit and stated it would back down from any similar actions during the next year.
    – We fought hard for no-wolf-hunting zones to be put in place around Yellowstone National Park
    – Our experts have spoken out against the state of Washington’s proposal to add wolves to their game management plan
    – We continue to fight against Idaho’s reckless management of wolves, rallying advocates on the ground, reaching out to officials, and educating the public with a large-scale advertising campaign to bring attention to the state’s plans to drive their wolf population down.
    And these are just a handful of examples.

    Across the board, we believe that wolves in the Northern Rockies, Southwest and Pacific Northwest have not fully recovered, and belong under the protection of the Endangered Species Act. No animal, wolf or otherwise, that is in need of that protection should ever be hunted. With the goal of keeping imperiled wolves protected, we have also led a massive effort against the proposed delisting of gray wolves across most of the country: http://dfnd.us/YYx1Ao

    • Yes, Defenders of Wildlife’s many efforts and achievements are praiseworthy. Just to clarify though, when the DOW representative told the interviewer that Defenders supports wolf hunting, were they just talking about the hunting and trapping of wolves in the Great Lakes area? Or in Alaska and Canada? And what does DOW think about the hunting methods used in Wisconsin?

      • Our representative did not at any point state that Defenders supports wolf hunting. The wolf population in the western Great Lakes is the largest in the lower 48, and it is currently healthy, as is the population in Alaska. We are focusing our limited resources in areas where we have staff and the threats are greatest to wolves: in the Southwest, Pacific Northwest and Rockies regions.

    • Defenders, Regardless ur undeniable well-meaning efforts, ‘no one’ of sane mind would support the hunting of imperiled species either. Is it fair to say that the name Defenders of Wildlife implies something greater than the standard pro-hunting philosophy behind state wildlife management of, ‘save enough today to have to kill for tomorrow? Those that truly speak in defense of wildlife go beyond the ‘scientific’ & hunting mgt. communities who each view animals only in terms of species. When it’s time by now, to finally recognize that wildlife are individuals, yes like we view ourselves to the point of sickening. That they are not our underlings to do w/ as we please or in need of being manipulated & controlled by us. The 8 billion of us, especially reg. controlling ‘their’ so-called over- populations, which state Wildlife Management agencies are obsessed with. Just like Fed F&W, Defenders decided wolves needed to be manipulated, put into a position that now states have decided they need to be controlled….by them. Poor wolves. When will human ego admit, there’s only one species on this planet needs to be controlled. Only when it’s too late for animals for will be nothing but wall to wall humans, knee deep in own dung.

  8. “Our representative did not at any point state that Defenders supports wolf hunting.”
    HUH?? Really?? Are you saying that the radio station and the interviewer somehow concocted that interview and that it never existed?

  9. Defenders of Wildlife needs to clear up these comments because many people including myself are perhaps getting the wrong impression!  By the way I am a DOW member and long time supporter.

    I understand the complexities of wolf-management as well as the countless issues confronting environmental programs and wildlife re-introduction efforts going on throughout the world.  I work on behalf of wildlife as well.  My work has taken me to many incredible places where I’ve been fortunate to work with some of the top biologists and conservationists in their respective fields.  I am well aware of the problems facing “our” movement.

    The Gray Wolf is not even close to inhabiting a quarter of its former range.  The hunting of wolves, be it for sport, management, fear, or whatever other excuse, is completely unacceptable! This species needs our help as do so many others, it’s time we put them first.  I’m a big believer in a balanced approach in life, however balance is not getting us anywhere, nor is it working for our environment or the incredible wildlife in decline everywhere!  That is not an understatement. We need to stop shaking hands with people who are ignorant and lazy.  We need to stop trying so hard to work with others that are afraid of change.  They are holding us all back and creating more problems because they are completely unaware of the global issues at hand.  

    Wolves need a strong consistent voice that stands up for them in the face of hate and misunderstanding!

    I hope these comments will be addressed publicly with a clear message that Defenders of Wildlife does not in any way support the hunting of wolves!

    • “balance is not getting us anywhere, nor is it working for our environment or the incredible wildlife in decline everywhere! That is not an understatement. We need to stop shaking hands with people who are ignorant and lazy. We need to stop trying so hard to work with others that are afraid of change. They are holding us all back and creating more problems because they are completely unaware of the global issues at hand. ”
      Agreed!!…now if the mainline “conservation” groups would adhere to this, we’d make progress.

  10. Defenders of Wildlife is not opposed to hunting of wolves. We represent hunters as well as other

    DOW: Perhaps you need to read this quote from the interview again. If you’re “not opposed to hunting of wolves,” then you are indeed in support of wolf hunting:
    ” Defenders of Wildlife is not opposed to hunting of wolves. We represent hunters as well as other conservationists and animal rights people. We have a very wide spectrum of people that are our members, but we’ve never been opposed to hunting. As long as it’s hunting done in a manner that other species are hunted, so that it’s not to exterminate the species, but actually to only take surplus from that population

  11. Suzanne Stone:
    “Defenders of Wildlife is not opposed to hunting of wolves. We represent hunters as well as other conservationists and animal rights people. We have a very wide spectrum of people that are our members, but we’ve never been opposed to hunting. As long as it’s hunting done in a manner
    that other species are hunted, so that it’s not to exterminate the species, but actually to only take surplus from that population.”

    “Surplus?” Wolf packs rely on all their members to survive. Credible bioloigsts know that wolves cannot be treated like other species, as Stone claims above. When it comes to the social structure of wolves and how that structure maintains the integrity of the pack, there is no “surplus.” DOW needs to stop pandering to special interests and find the courage to speak the truth about wolves and other predators.

    • I don’t see how she can say that wolves are treated differently than other wildlife such as mountain lions, bears and elk (600 wolves vs. 3,000 mountain lions vs. 20, 000 bears vs. 100,000 elk) managed too much, and then say that there are ‘surplus’ wolves. There are not. I think these people are trying to help wolves by giving a little to get – but they don’t seem to realize that the anti-wolf side has no intention of compromising in the smallest way. They want it all (wolves gone or down to a genetically weakened number that will die off through disease and environmental damage) and they intend to have it all.

      • Well said, Idalupine — especially your comment that “the anti-wolf side has no intention of compromising….They want it all…” How tragically true. Where I live we have the same rigid “right-to-exterminate” mentality among those butchering coyotes — in a legal open season shoot-track-w/radio-collared-dogs, string-’em-up-alive-and-torture them. Every court initiative to stop this savagery is defeated. Their defense is based upon an ignorance which they do not want to change — to wit: “the coyotes are killing all our deer.” And of course — the deer aren’t “theirs”, we have too many deer anyway, nor are the coyotes killing them in any appreciable number. But it is different strategically for the wolves as they are not in large numbers and were intentionally re-introduced. It is shocking to me to encounter such violent hatred of such an intelligent, social, beneficial, canid — be it wolf or coyote. To tell the truth, I see this as something of a Class Warfare — which is a topic for another long discussion.
        I close by reiterating the very unpleasant surprise I had when I read that DOW is an apologist organization for hunting — of any sort, under any circumstances. I also shudder at the concept of “managing” a wild balance, when we humans are responsible a priori for destroying it. To me, it smacks of extraordinary hubris.

  12. After reading this, I was shocked and wrote to D.O.W. for their response. It wasn’t as clear as Suzanne Stone’s but it basically verified what she said. I know that D.O.W. is doing many good things and I’ve supported them for years but the hunting of wolves is a moral issue to me. I feel betrayed by D.O.W. and have told them to remove me from their database.

  13. Please, everyone slow down a minute and think about what Stone actually said: that it’s not appropriate at this time to hunt wolves in the U.S. where their population numbers haven’t yet recovered. The question of whether or not to hunt wolves is not a yes/no question. It’s a question of where and when, for what reason, in what numbers, with what methods, etc. Defenders of Wildlife works in the practical world where all of these factors are critical. If Defenders of Wildlife wanted to fool people with false fundraising, they would just say “save the wolves” and leave it at that. Instead, they do the difficult work that needs to be done to actually save the wolves in the real world.

    • Scott Slocum, “The question of whether or not to hunt wolves is … a question of where and when, for what reason, in what numbers, with what methods, etc.” The answer to that question was written on the wall when F&W Service w/ Defenders cheering them on dumped kidnapped Canadian wolves here in 1995. The details of the question 20 years hence will be worked out by the ‘authorities.’ Defenders may argue they’re not ‘recovered enough’ to start slaughtering, but they wont be ‘saving’ anything. Arguing give ’em time to reproduce some more, (don’t forget unlike humans in season yr. round, they have season once a year. As far as methods, no one tracks killers in the act as long as paid state license fee & ranchers free to employ methods they choose if protecting their stock. Why would u even mention? Alaska hunters shoot them from outfitter’s helicopters running them down in snow, for last 40+ yrs., see videos. Whatever Defenders thinks they’re doing now is neither here nor there reg. the given of human cruelty toward wolves. But the fact they supported F&W opening that door in U.S. knowing the ultimate outcome for these animals, they can never live down IMO.

  14. “they do the difficult work that needs to be done to actually save the wolves in the real world.”
    REALLY? And what about the “surplus” wolves she mentions?
    Any “conservation” group that supports an industry as harmful to this planet as the livestock industry has no moral compass.
    Defenders has collaborated with this industry despite the fact it destroys our streams, riparian areas, wetlands, and water quality. Our rivers dry up just to grow feed for cows. The pesticides and fertilizers they use destroys insects, raptors and song birds. And, they poison predators, prairie dogs etc.
    Defenders has attempted to compromise with the ranchers since reintroduction and it has resulted in the slaughter of thousands of wolves.
    There are “principled” organizations…..Defenders is NOT one of them.

    • What Ms. Stone actually said was that there is no surplus of wolves at this time in the Northern Rockies. She said that “the wolf population in the Northern Rockies is still pretty small” and that, therefore, hunting wolves is inappropriate.

      If you miss an obvious distinction like this, you miss a whole series of others; and thus, the rest of the rant.

      I’m no supporter of the livestock industry. I’ve withdrawn most of my consumer spending from it, and I recommend that approach to anyone who wants to reduce their contribution to its problems.

      But this apocalyptic judgement upon the industry is not coming from God, it’s coming from a person who can’t really tell the difference between things that are, in fact, different.

  15. Scott, I think your assessment is accurate as to what Stone meant, but that is why this situation is disturbing to so many of us. DOW is now trying to back pedal as fast as possible from its statement. Why does it require parsing language to get to the real message…”yes, we support hunting, if and when we think it is justified.” Perhaps this means little to members who are hunters, but for those members who oppose hunting, there is a difference between “we are defenders of x” and “we are the defenders of x (certain limitations apply.)” “The practical world”?? I live there too, and guess what? It is not static. It constantly changes, but only when brave people are willing to stand up and challenge existing values based on science and facts. When people make compromises for expediency, very little changes. Hunting does not protect biodiversity. It results in a deliberate overabundance of game animals like elk and deer, and artificially limits the number of predators, for the benefit of hunters and the income needs of wildlife management agencies. Conservation organizations need to be upfront and direct about their hunting and trapping policies to potential members..

  16. I just did a search of conservation groups that are either pro or anti hunter and here was the most interesting part of the results… they were sometimes inconsistent. One site rated DOW as apolitical, and another rated is a pro-hunting. Same thing with Sierra Club and a few others. What does this mean? The conservation and animal rights organization are not taking, and/or telling the public, in clear and direct language, what their position is regarding hunting. In other words, before you contribute to any organization, you need to ask.

  17. “I’m no supporter of the livestock industry. I’ve withdrawn most of my consumer spending from it, and I recommend that approach to anyone who wants to reduce their contribution to its problems.”

    Great!….but you’re not directing the policy at Defenders.
    They’ve coddled the livestock industry since reintroduction….remember Hank Fisher, Defenders and the 10J rule? They counted on the ranchers accepting wolves and it’s obvious they were wrong, yet they continue this madness. Ranchers have not accepted wolves and if you’d spend a bit of time in Montana talking to them, you’d find out that the present generation never will….My son in law has a ranch in the middle of Montana wolf country and I can tell you those folks resent Defenders and any other group that favors wolves and other predators.
    Defenders has raised millions of $$ on the back of wolves and nothing has changed except their bank account and membership since reintroduction.
    One last comment….I cofounded Footloose Montana, in hopes of putting an end to trapping in Montana via a ballot initiative. That was in 2008. We needed 24,000 signatures to get it on the November ballot, but fell 1000 signatures short. Defenders REFUSED to support our initiative and wouldn’t even alert their thousands of members in Montana to support us….why? because they said they had a good working relationship with the ranchers and with MFWP and “didn’t want to rock the boat”
    Like I said before, there are “principled” groups like Predator Defense, BFC, WWP, and a few others……..Defenders is not in that catagory

  18. Scott….I-169 was put forth this year by a different group….fell far short of the necessary signatures
    Check out Footloose Montana on facebook….they’ll be at it again for the 2016 season

  19. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE WAKE THE HELL UP AND STOP MURDERING THE WOLVES I MEAN IF WIPING THEM OUT IS YOUR GOAL YOU MIGHT JUST GET YOUR WISH ♡ WONIYA CANTE
    LET THE WOLVES RUN FREE

    • The definition of Hunting is: Hunting and Trapping. There is simply no excuse to hunt or trap. It is the “sport” of cowards, and anyone who has the audacity to in any way support such, is part of this Animal Serial Killing mentality, which is also known as : Wildlife Game Management.

      Jerry Black: you said it so well! Thanks so much for your details on just how Defenders (apparently not really defending animals). http://www.foranimals.org

    • Hello Jim! I was re-reading this article you posted again: I have written comments below, and also wrote a more-detailed piece on wildlife conservation/management, for you to use if you wish to.  The problem with many “wildlife” groups, like DOW, is that they will not,  ever, completely oppose hunting—and if they do not, they also are supporting trapping, because trapping is just another form of hunting:  Wikipedia, the free encyclopediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting”Hunting is the practice of killing or trapping any animal….”______________________________________________________________________________________ WHY WILDLIFE CONSERVATION/MANAGEMENT IS WRONG:  Teddy Roosevelt (remember him, the Trophy Hunter?), founded the infamous Boone & Crockett Club (Wolf Killer, Aldo Leopold was also a member). From both of these serial animal killers, came the Game Management Ideology–which is the bible for State and Federal Wildlife (Game) agencies—and too often, wildlife groups which claim to “defend” wildlife.  And, what does this Humanist “game” ideology preach, that makes it so popular and supported by so-called “wildlife” groups like Defenders? It supports the idea of wild animals as something to be used, within “sustainable levels” by humans–for hunting/trapping, viewing, and otherwise getting some kind of human satisfaction. Some wildlife groups, then, can take the easier road of compromise and collaboration with the enemies of wildlife, (hunters/trappers/ranchers), by “working with them to help wildlife.” This hunter-conservation/game management nonsense permeates every agency that deals in anyway with wild animals. It is designed to “conserve” populations to a point where they can be killed, and to manipulate such populations to artificially create more animals to be “used” (i.e., hunted, trapped, etc.)  Because this management model is all about manipulation of species and habitat for human use, certain populations are increased so they may provide animal killers (hunters), with targets, such as deer, elk, caribou, ducks, geese, etc. Again, because this is all about species/habitat manipulation, so-called “predators” such as wolves, coyotes, bears, wolverines, beavers, foxes, bobcat, mountain lion & other species considered “nuisance animals” must be “controlled,” under this barbaric, anti-wildlife system.  Millions of wild animals each year are caught & slaughtered in this “Game Management Trap,” which few people understand or oppose. As long as this system continues, no wild species will be able to live in peace. The livestock industry is also part of this system, and this industry demands that wild animals be controlled (trapped, poisoned, shot, burned out of dens, etc.), so Domestic Livestock can graze on National Forests, Wildlife Refuges, wilderness areas & other public lands.  This massive wildlife slaughter is taking a terrible toll on all wild species around the planet.  Now add to this, uncontrolled human population & increasing climate changes, which are killing habitat, food & water sources for non-human beings. Extinction will be Forever.  Why are wild species and wild habitat so important, you may ask. Its about Biodiversity, wild things (flora and fauna) that are intertwined in the Life Support System of this planet: without The Wild,  all life dies. The Earth can do just fine without Homo sapiens. But, without wild species–down to the most simple bacteria in the soils, air & oceans–nothing will survive.  Rosemary Lowewww.foranimals.org

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  20. IF THE WOLF POPULATION GETS TO
    LARGE JUST MOVE THE WOLVES
    TO ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE
    THE WOLF POPULATION IS SMALLER
    BUT DO NOT HUNT THEM DOWN
    PUT YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES
    WHAT IF THE HUMAN POPULATION
    IS WAY TO LARGE ARE YOU GOING
    TO HUNT HUMANS DOWN?
    ANIMALS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE
    LIKE HUMANS WHAT MAKES
    HUMANS SO SUPERIOR AND
    ABOVE CREATURES OF GOD
    UNLESS YOU CHANGE THIS
    OK TO KILL WOLVES I WILL
    NOT DONATE TO YOU ANYMORE!

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